Have I woken up in opposite town?
Quote from Peter Vallone, of all people:
“By prosecuting this woman and seeking 3 1/2 years of jail, we are shooting our own [gun-control] efforts in the foot and giving the rest of the country ammunition,” Vallone said.
True enough, I think. Cases like these make the obvious point that we need to standardize our concealed carry laws, and that laws that prevent individuals from carrying their firearms amount to harassment at best. (Assault is already illegal, guys.)
But here’s where it gets wacky:
“Clearly, the laws are too strict here, but that’s something we need to work out for ourselves without honoring licenses to carry guns in states where felons can carry them,” he said.
Emphasis is mine. We have a Democrat New York City councilman admitting that the laws are too strict, which is crazy enough. But then he goes on to articulate the standard that he thinks is the correct one. That they should honor permits from other states, except for states where felons are allowed to carry guns.
Um…I’ll take it. Inasmuch as there are no states where felons can carry guns. So, yeah, universal reciprocity.
Weer’d points out the foolishness of this statement, but I think it provides a window into what they think that they can get away with. And that bar is pretty low, my friends.
Female medical student from Tennessee sees “No guns allowed” sign at the 9/11 memorial, asks where she can check her gun. Bloomberg’s minions arrest her. Full story here.
I think issues like this are going to become more and more common as concealed carry becomes normalized. Folks who have entered the gun culture in its modern, normalized state don’t even think about places where gun rights are restricted. NY recognizes her drivers license…why not her handgun license.
Oh, and a correction for the original author:
Mayor Bloomberg has made out-of-state guns one of his major issues. It was an out-of-state gun that recently killed police officer Peter Figoski.”
This should read:
Mayor Bloomberg has made out-of-state guns one of his major issues. It was an
out-of-state gunmurdering scumbag that recently killed police officer Peter Figoski.
From Crime in Charlotte. Panthers Linebacker Kion Wilson has had some guns stolen from his truck in a Best Buy parking lot. It looks like it is the one across from Northlake Mall.
Wilson reported that his Glock 23, FN Five-Seven, Smith & Wesson Bodyguard 380 and Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun were all taken from his truck.
Grass Roots North Carolina sent me an email bulletin regarding the Mike Luo’s hit piece in the New York Times that we examined yesterday. Full link is here.
National Review makes the same point that I did, slightly differently.
And, shocker of shockers, the Observer reprinted the original, flawed article.
The most interesting quote from the three sources was Paul Valone’s. Apparently, Mr. Luo interviewed Mr. Valone prior to publishing his article. (Paul Valone, for those who don’t know, is the director of Grass Roots North Carolina, as well as Charlotte’s gun rights Examiner.) From Mr. Vallone:
Luo admits not bothering to confirm more than a handful of the matches found, so given the small data set used, the number of “false positives” may well exceed the number of accurate matches.
So, once again, let’s review. Mr. Luo pulls some data. And even with his data as stacked against CCW holders as it could possibly be, he can’t manage to make his point, because even a cursory examination shows that CCW holders commit very few crimes. This, he must resort to anecdote. Mr. Luo says anecdotes are valid in proving that CCW holders commit crimes, but invalid in proving that CCW holders use their weapons to stop crime.
All we need now is Japete telling us we are mean, and we will have come full circle.
The New York Times has written a hit piece on concealed carry in North Carolina. In particular, they try to make the case that North Carolina’s CCW permit process is flawed, and that it allows prohibited persons to obtain CCW permits. The Times offers the following:
More than 2,400 permit holders were convicted of felonies or misdemeanors, excluding traffic-related crimes, over the five-year period, The Times found when it compared databases of recent criminal court cases and licensees. While the figure represents a small percentage of those with permits, more than 200 were convicted of felonies, including at least 10 who committed murder or manslaughter. All but two of the killers used a gun.
2,400 crimes committed, and “more than 200 convicted of felonies” would seem to imply that 2,200 of the crimes were misdemeanors. But still, 200 felonies is a lot, right?
Well, lets see how many permits we have in NC? 228,072 So the raw rate of all crime is:
=2400/228,072 = .01 or 1%.
=200/228,072 = .00008 or .08%. Get that? 8/100 of a percent that a CCW holder will commit a felony over a 5 year period.
We need to do some math in order to compare this with the general population. Note that the 200 figure is over a five year period. Lets assume that the 200 felonies are evenly distributed. (Normally this isn’t a good idea, but we are only really interested in order of magnitude comparison here.) 50 felonies in a single year period. Now, normally, crime rates are quoted in number of occurrences per 100,000 persons. Since the numbers are so close, I’m going to keep the math simple and halve the number of people who have CCW permits . Note that is will overstate the number of crimes committed by CCW permit holders. 25 felonies per 100,000 permit holders per year.
Let’s compare this with the general NC population, shall we?
Felonies in NC, in 2010, per 100,000 people: 3,955.7 Shall we consider only violet felonies? 374.4 per 100,000.
In short, CCW permit holders are not more law abiding than then general population, they are MUCH more law abiding than the general population.
What if we consider murder? The article cites 10 murder or manslaughter convictions over a 5 year period. That’s two per year, or 1 per 100,000 permit holders. What’s the NC average? 5.1 murders per 100,000 in 2010. In short, the murder rate among CCW permit holders is at least 1/5 the murder rate of the general population. And remember, the CCW rate is overstated using my back of a napkin methodology.
But in a very real sense…none of this matters. The argument in front of us isn’t “do CCW holders commit crimes” or “do they commit crimes more frequently than the general public” or even “does widespread CCW make society safer?” The only real question is “does CCW make society less safe?” As the article points out:
As a result, the question becomes whether allowing more people to carry guns actually deters crime, as gun rights advocates contend, and whether that outweighs the risks posed by the minority who commit crimes.
The article goes on to note:
Gun advocates are quick to cite anecdotes of permit holders who stopped crimes with their guns. It is virtually impossible, however, to track these episodes in a systematic way. By contrast, crimes committed by permit holders can be.
The article goes on to then cite anecdotes of permit holders who commit crimes.
The article goes on to criticize the work of John Lott, who found that CCW reduces crime, and praise the work of economists who found no correlation between CCW and crime reduction. No one is arguing anymore that CCW increases crime, except for the New York Times, and by their own standard, data over anecdote, they fail miserably.
Christmas greetings from all of us here at Newbie Shooter. I hope that everyone got what they wanted for Christmas, and that everyone is sharing the season with the ones that they love.
Off to make the Profiteroles…
From the 1″ clamps that I got at Lowes to help me with my Kydex projects:
“Misuse of clamps may cause injury.”
Good advice, that…
‘D’ Grade for Star Actor
Cost Me My Job, Prof Says
NYU professor sues school, saying he was fired after he gave James Franco a ‘D’ for routinely skipping classes
I think we all have the same reaction to this: Who in god’s name is James Franco?
I oscillate between the position held by Borepatch (none of the likely GOP nominees are worth much, and our best chance is to split the power between them) and the Czar (Obamacare would be a disaster, literally not figuratively, and we have to stop it now). Personally, I don’t think there is a good choice. I think that that it may be too late to stop the train, and that it doesn’t matter who we elect. “Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos!”
I’ll add an additional thought. From Borepatch:
1. The stink of corruption has not yet led to Congressional criminal investigations. Between Fast and Furious and Solyndra, there are billions of dollars and hundreds of deaths that have yet to be publicly laid at the feet of the Progressive Altar. Battlefield preparation for that fight is not yet complete. If the Republican Party cannot be trusted to do even this, then they cannot be trusted with the White House.
Amen! As bad as Fast and Furious is, if nothing is done then we have set the precedent that you can use the instruments of government power to cause the slaughter of innocent people in order to further the oppression of your own citizens. There is a huge swath of folks on the left who have demonstrated over and over that they are willing to use that power, for whatever reason. A lack of reaction to Fast and Furious sends the message that you can continue to use that power.
JayG and Weer’d drew my attention to this story:
Tea Party Leader Arrested After Attempting to Check in With Gun at Airport
As an ex-New Yorker, let me offer some color about the New York gun laws. It is completely illegal to handle a pistol in New York without a permit. Thus, he wasn’t arrested for carrying without a permit, he was arrested for possessing without a permit. Oh, and by the way, New York Sate won’t issue permits to non-residents. So there was no way for Mr. Meckler to comply with the law and possess his firearm.
Recognizing that his might be a problem, in 1986 the Congress passed the Firearm Owners Protection Act. While I generally think this law was a net negative in that it gave us the ban on new machine gun registrations, it did include the one useful provision, the so called “Safe Passage” provision. Stripped of the legalese, it essentially says that if you are traveling from somewhere where you can legally have your gun, and traveling to somewhere you can legally have your gun, and you have it locked up, and are only passing through, then you are not guilty of a gun crime.
Dave Hardy (who apparently wrote the language in the bill!) points out that several cases have been dismissed against gun owners who had a flight connection in New York that got cancelled, for example, and were forced to retrieve their luggage. It would seem to me that traveling into New York for the sole purpose of using their airport should be protected as well. For example, if I was traveling from Connecticut to North Carolina, and traveling out of LaGuardia, why shouldn’t I be entitled to the protection of the FOPA?
Given that Mr. Meckler appears to be Liberty oriented, it is entirely possible that this was not an accident, but rather a protest event designed to give him standing to challenge the New York law. Or maybe he just got caught in another stupid gun law. As Weer’d points out, HR 822 would render this moot. Mr. Meckler has a pistol permit from the state of California, one of the toughest sates in the nation to get a permit from. If HR 822 were to become law, he would have the right not only to possess in New York, but
As a final editorial, I think the money quote from the Fox News article is this one:
The charge could carry prison time, but travelers who are arrested in such cases and appear to be trying to comply with the law typically pay fines.
So, if it is clear to the prosecutors that the travelers are trying to comply with the law, why arrest and fine them? They are at most guilty of ignorance of the law. And let’s not forget: these are felony charges. A conviction means a lifetime removal of Mr. Meckler’s gun rights.
UPDATE: Another story with a quote from Mr. Meckler’s attorney.